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ALX
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Joined: 18 Jan 2009
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First of all if you want to sample something other than drums, in order to have the right key note of the sample you should play on the Technics 1200mk2 somewhere around 45rp +4.5%. It may differ since some old Technics may need a new pitch slider.
| peterpiper0815 wrote: | Oh talking about pitching? Cool, I got also a question. I think some of you (maybe all of you) use an EQ before sampling. How do you handle the problem that the frequency range of the signal you want increase by playing the vinyl at 45 rpm
For example: You want to boost the bassline in your sample, but when you samlpe at 45 rpm the EQ band (Bass) of the DJ Mixer doesn't really boost the bass frequencies of the sample.
I think the best way is to use a parametric EQ (but I dont have one) to raise the mids/lower mids (in that case).
What do you think/use?
peace |
I always EQ my stuff before I put them into the SP1200.
for example if im sampling a main loop I usualy dont want the bass in it, since im gonna put some other bass. the bass is somewhere from 80hz (or lower) to 150hz (or higher). If you pitch the sound higher you might find the bass around 300hz - 400hz - 500hz or whatever.
I use a Mackie 32-8 with parametric EQ to do this. You cannot do that with a fixed EQ on a mixer, unless you have an oldschool mixer with a graphic EQ on it (like the one Pete Rock used back in the 90s). If your a digital guy you can record your samples in the computer, EQ it there and sample in to the SP.
This way (by taking out the unwanted bass) your total sound level is lower now and you can raise the input level a bit more taking advantage of the headroom you have before your signal peaks. Maybe you get better singal to noise ratio when mixing.
When I sample a hihat off a record I even take out low frequencies (usualy 500hz or lower) for the same reason.
From what Ive seen, if you tend to pitch the sample higher or lower its better to take out the frequencies you wont want in the end. This way you have the best resaults when the rind modulation effect appears. You get clean grime sound, not muddy.
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Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:50 pm |
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goldenmean
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Joined: 05 Jul 2006
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yeah, its ideal if you can eq and sample direct off of the dj mixer and a good needle, but it really all depends. sometimes you get a really dope sample but need a more accurate eq to shape it right before you sample it. with a computer its also nice and quick to grab a long section from a record, say like 10 minutes and sample out/edit a bunch of less obvious spots into the sp. you cant join or layer samples in the 1200 either so a computer helps for stacking drum hits/making longer tails/extra noise etc pre-sp. lately ive been into sampling hits with alot of other drones or sounds going on at the same time...sp really glues multiple hits into one! at the same time you can randomly grab vinyl sections on the sp without paying much attention and have it be sort of choppy and dope on accident. i do both though...lots of old school dudes have sampled from cassettes and things so i dont sweat fidelity on certain samples if theres other stuff crisp and hitting on some pads. |
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:03 am |
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Ninetyloop
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Joined: 12 Dec 2007
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I dont usually detune the drums, if I sample at normal speed cause they tend to lose a little bit of the dynamics that I want.
But on samples I try to save sampling time and do the usual trick and get them in on fast speed and then slow them down.
| essence wrote: | | Everyone: What outputs you generally use for what type of sample? |
I did alot of my beats like this:
1 - kick
2 - bass
3 - snare
5 - hihat
7&8 - samples
The remaining channels I use for percussions and vocals and such. |
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Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:03 am |
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goldenmean
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i dont always use outputs 1 and 2 or at least have one open on the sp so i use it as a sort of effects send when programming beats out.
i like dubby stuff bouncing over top of tracks and use one of those space echo units and some moog pedals with the sp.
so if i have a snare (or kick or anything really) on output 7 or 6 etc ill copy it to a new pad and make that copy sound be channel 1 or 2.
then i plug the individual output of that channel in all the way to eliminate the filtering and run that through the effects units (usually keeping things 100 percent wet) and then feed that into the mixer thats getting the rest of the sp signals and blend it.
than i work the effected copied pads into the beat programming, sometimes layering an echo'd snare underneath the dry one, putting weird filtered out kicks in as fills etc...it def adds a little bit more options into sequencing things out since the sample time is so limited.
i sort of stumbled into doing this and i like it since i got frustrated trying to keep sequences fresh doing the same sp programming. alot of you guys prob already do shit like this maybe. |
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Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:52 pm |
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peterpiper0815
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Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Ok I just found out something new to me about the s950. I like to take closer looks on the sound of samplers and so I experimented a bit with the 950 and a sinesweep. I found out that the recording level plays a big role. I knew that before cause a bit of distortion gives a nice sound. But....
Its not just distortion. There is something that happen to the sound before reaching the distortion. ALIASING.
The more level you give to the inputs, the more aliasing will be on the sample. (I got audio and visual examples so if you are interested I will post them)
My question now is. Does the SP show the same behaviour? Is there less of aliasing (ringing) when the you sample at lower input gain?
Would be very cool if someone with the SP could test this. Thanks
peace
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