sync sp sequencer to mpc

DFACE DXA · sync sp sequencer to mpc

if you do such a thing post up how you get biz.
ive done it with midi and wiht the a click over 1/4in

Drinks

defintiely with MIDI. Its tighter. MIDI OUT MASTER > MIDI IN SLAVE (SP).
Set SP sync to MIDI. But the groove rate is now determined by the master.

Deta!L

how do you set the SP to slave?

DFACE DXA

jaeone does this with eps n sp. ill see what he has to say

Drinks

Detail,

Set the sync to MIDI, not internal. The SP is now the slave. Like I said before though, your groove will be determined by the master clock. If you want to retain the SP's groove, then you'll need to set the sync to click (the way Dface was describing). That's all good, but the MPC and SP share a different groove and so it might sound a bit off. I've never tried it that way to be honest. It might work nicely if you are using different sounds on both machines (eg. drum kit on the master, percussive instruments) on the SP.

JaeOne3345

I disagree, I slave my sp to different equipment all the time and the sp groove still reminds, it just follows a steadier clock.

Its not like the newer mpcs that have had problems with even swing settings being altered when running as a slave.

Drinks

Interesting. But the proof is in the pudding as we say over here.

If you try slaving the SP to a DAW such as Pro Tools, Logic, DP, etc, record the MIDI, you will see the SP's notes quantised (quantiZed for you Americans Wink

).

But if you slaving the DAW to the SP and then record the MIDI, you will see the SP is off the grid.

You can create a groove template based on the SP groove in most DAWs to work around this. All sampler intruments (VST, AU etc) will then follow the SP's groove template.

Swing is determined by the master clock. It really can't be independent. Unless you use the click out function but as I said before, I've never tried. MIDI is tighter than the click unless you are running 24/pqn.

Check this article http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Dec01/articles/logicnotes1201.asp

Of course, this aricle is Logic specific but all DAWs run their own clock.

DFACE DXA

the whole timing of the sequence slides. its not gonna quantize every hit. it just realigns it at the one every time it loops. just cuz it stays within the grid doesnt mean it changes teh way the sp swings

Drinks

The swing of the SP is unrelated to the grid when acting as the master. If it is slaved, it will be related to the grid. Not just on the downbeat, but on every clock pulse. Depending on the sequencer. Your original post is for the MPC sequencer which I've not used. But if it is realigning every time it loops, then surely it is changing the swing value.

I'll try to get a screenshot of the DAW grid as both SLAVE and MASTER to illustrate.

JaeOne3345

I do this with ableton and cubase all the time to track my beats out. (Slaving the sp to the pc). The sp swing still remains when in midi sync mode, BUT it simply follows a steadier clock and has rock solid timing, but it hasn't messed with MY quantize settings. I've done this myself.

I have also slaved the pc to the sp. The sp clock does drift +/- 1-2 bpm when you monitor it with a daw.

When slaved to the pc in HiRes mode, the sp notes are not "fixed" or quantized regardless of the DAW's quantize setting. They are just how I left them, but the clock being followed is more solid. The notes are still in the step edit just how I put them there.

I have only seen this problem with newer mpc's.

phase one

how do you slave the daw to the sp? which equipment etc? thnx

DFACE DXA

midi sync

shawn rudiman · sp sync/swing

this is a really interesting thread.
so what you guys are saying is that if you sync the sp with a midi clock from something, that incoming clock value via the midi port (24-96ppq) will shift the clock/quantise on the sp's internal sequencer? ive synced the 12 to an mpc 3000, a studio 440, a mpc 60I, a 909, and an 808 (being converted by a kms 30 korg box) and it holds its own clock/swing values regardless of what's clocking it. ive never seen any machine in 20 years that that would happen to. but with a computer.. i wouldnt bet the farm on it. (i dont trustem as clock sources as far as i could spit.)
so is that what you guys are saying basicly?

thanks
srudiman

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