| Archive for dxarmy.com sp1200 forum for users of emu sp1200 drumachine |
| Specialjustin |
Sp 1200 vs EMAX I (Tunning artifacts test)HiI'm hoping some one here may be able to help me out, as i dont have a chance of trying either out before possably buying one maybe both heh. I have alink here to 2 breakbeats Amen brother (because i know it so well) and Lyn collins (it has some other harmonic content) there are 2 of each beat, one at original speed (33 1/3) the other faster (45 + 8%). What i'm looking to see is what both samplers do the the beats: 1 What is the quality of the samplers are when comparing them to the original and to each other. 2 What they do to the faster beat when its slowed down to the original bpm (this is the real test, imo) Link to the beats: http://www.sendspace.com/file/s18n8v If you can be botherd to test this out it would be great and help steer me in the right direction. Also i have a ton of oldskool orig breakbeats at very HQ if you want a few let me know i can upload some. Thanks for any help. J P.s if this thread is in the wrong place please move it, cheers |
||||
| DFACE DXA |
ive owned both samplers. sold my emax. they dont sound the same. maybe similar under certain applications. | ||||
| Specialjustin |
Ah damn and i was hoping you would be the one help. Fancy havin a go but just on the SP? Just to give me an understanding of how it sounds in a sort of controled fashion. | ||||
| DFACE DXA |
theres tons of records wiht every drum sound sampled with a sp1200 | ||||
| Specialjustin |
Yes but then you need to find the orig sounds to compare to let alone try to undo all the post production that happend in the studio. I just want to hear the sp1200 on it's own in a sort of controlled way. As i said i am not able to use one before purchase so i wanted to hear for myself what the SP does to sounds. | ||||
| Ninetyloop |
First of all, this forum is great! Was a little difficult to find, but well worth the search.
I own both of those, if you want I can put some trough my mg16/4 to digi002 later this week. I´ll put a link to this thread where you can get the pack. You must understand that emax is a little different, for example you can change the sample rate unlike Sp. And there are plenty more features when it comes to manipulating the sounds. P´s good luck deciding! |
||||
| shaheatone |
You can't really get an exact result from such a test,cause you cannot sample at sp12 or 1200 frequency,with the emax you sample at 28000 khz,
but the truth is that you dont really hear the difference,of course people with experience in those machines catch it,I do hear it,but if your lookin for "THAT" sound,you cannot go wrong with an Emax. If you have an serious sequencer,like an mpc3000 or something,I would suggest you an Emax,but if you don`t have such a machine right now,then get you an SP. If you askin me,soundwise I like the Emax better,cause it could be soft sounding,or way sinister and uglier than an SP. I could do an comparison if you want,but if you got a nice sequencer yet,get you the Emax or an Emulator II,but thats another story... Peace |
||||
| Specialjustin |
Any test comparisons would be great. I understand that both machines have differences, but without actual experience i have no way to quantify them. Oh yea i have this guy coming over to try an sell me his SP, so anything asap would be a massive help.
Cheers chaps. |
||||
| shaheatone |
yo man,like I said,do you have any tight sequencer yet,if not then get that sp cause you cant really use that emax sequencer for hiphop | ||||
| Specialjustin |
Yea i have a sequencer i can use no probs (will be and pc prog rather than an mpc or the like), although the SP's all in one type of solution does look atractive. I spose there are pros and cons to both, just thought i would look at how the deal with sound for starters. It appears that here in the UK emax's are rarer than SP's, must be the rep that makes the SP so popular. Not really lookin at make hiphop so much as bboy style oldskool breaks fuck-ups. Think along the lines of Success-N-Effect-Roll it up (bass kickin beats)
Fuck it heres a link to a Mp3 of it, so you know what i mean: http://www.sendspace.com/file/bn8ubm I don't expect people to like it, just this is sort of the thing i'm looking at. Raw, dirty, slighty out of time, 808 bass thing. Maybe both SP/Emax are wrong but hey : ) BTW I really like " way sinister and uglier" as a way to describe the Emax's possible sound. |
||||
| Ninetyloop |
A small testSo here´s some sounds, even though I forgot to do the tuning on the emax, oh what the... hope this helps.On the Sp I used output number 1 for all sounds plus there is also comparison between outputs with both samples. On the emax I used the main outputs for everything. I didnt tune every step on Sp, but I think you get the idea. For science only: http://www.sendspace.com/file/xxvz3y Tell me if the link doesnt work or is expired or something, Ill re-upload if necessary. |
||||
| Specialjustin |
Ah man thanks, thats a really great help. The SP brings a new meaning the term 'break' beat. The Emax sounds alot like my Fz-1 (nice and rough but in a good way)
Cheers for takin the time to do it. J |
||||
| N D Loop |
better late than neverI wish I would have seen this post when it was fresh.The Emax can and will sound just like the SP in the correct hands. The SP12, the gray SP1200 and black SP1200 actually sound slightly different and is noticable on certain types of samples.
The Emax will never sound like the SP if you use that rate
That would come from the user not beiong really familiar with the SP sound and how the Emax works If you are familialr with the SP's you can play with the Emax and learn it in a way that allows you to understand what sample rate and filter settings get you the SP sound. Complete with all the good or bad aspects the SP produces. You can't just say the SP samples at xxxx and the filters are set at xxxx and get the SP sound. |
||||
| N D Loop |
Simply requires proper settings on the Emax |
||||
| Specialjustin |
What would those settings be then? | ||||
| DFACE DXA |
sorry but they def do not sound the same at all. no matter what setting. somewhat similar maybe. could an emax pass for an sp. never. put breaks in both. its night n day. all yah non believers step your game up. you will never get the alias noise or ring from a emax. i personally think the casio fz sounds like complete ass also. nothin like an sp or emax. very cheap sounding vs full n grimey. |
||||
| DFACE DXA |
for the record i think the emax is a great sampler. id fuck wiht over most other 12 bit joints.... but its no sp. nice on samples but doesnt hold sp weight as far as drums go. | ||||
| Specialjustin |
All right mate chill out. | ||||
| N D Loop |
Your ears and knowing how the SP actually sounds. Don't get me wrong I am not saying this in a smart way I am saying this seriously. If you know the Emax well you know the filters vary depending on the source material and it makes sense why the SP was never given variable filters. The Emax has a very funny personality that will get you. Even when you sample at one of the lower freq rates the filter setting can open the sample back up and make it sound like a higher freq rate was used. A good starting point is to use the 20k sampling rate and put the filter between 67-88, with the Q at 0, ENV at 0 and Tracking at 0. Don't forget a major part of the SP sound we love comes from sampling fast and detuning it back. If you sample a good kick like that and use the pitch bend you will be sitting in the SP Zone. Sample a loop like that chop it up to multiple keys and you should say WTF. It is still dependent on how well your sampling chops are, what you feed the Emax the sample from, how well you understand pegging the meters on the Emax or SP and things like that. Believe me I have been a SP man forever but the Emax made me push it to the side. I dove into it and found so many cool aspects about how it works. I use to hang out at MPC Forums under the name of The Maker ( you know like Forge from the X-men comics) but gave up on them a long time ago. |
||||
| N D Loop |
Biggest drawback I really see for the Emax is it requires work to do certain things whereas the SP's limitations puts things in the Zone quickly. OK for the sake of the discussion lets say a person can actually make thei Emax sound like the SP. You still have to edit each chop, sample and/or key to make it sound like the SP and it's not as simple as using the same settings for each. WOW that's a lot of work. so if you needed to do that a lot that's some major work. What I usually do it just take a cycle and make a whole keyboard full of drums in a sitting so I end up with several actual kits in one Emax preset. This allows me to also use the Re-sampling freature to experiment with variable sample freq since the fixed sample freq doesn't always hit like it should. |
||||
| HavDeaf! |
He's chill he was simply expressing his opinion. Don't post off topic. I agree with DFACE on this personally. I've messed with both of these samplers and nothing comes close to the SP ring. Who revived this topic anyway? |
||||
| RHYTHM MONSTER |
it's crazy how much emaxs been going for lately | ||||
| DFACE DXA |
what up maker! yeah you kno your emax game. noo disrespect meant.
im just simply sayin an emaxs sound is missing the sp alias noise n ring. im chill homie. like hav said im speakin on the subject. maker you can hit me on the pm if you wanna go more in depth. I can break down what im sayin. |
||||
| N D Loop |
Always good. Yeah I just wanted to say it was me so that you would know it wasn't just someone repeating internet myths. 
I gonna hit you up to talk about some of what I'm getting at. The sp alias noise n ring is there the problem is that the Emax does a better job of correcting it so you have to make it less efficient. The SE Plus OS makes this doable. |
||||
| DFACE DXA |
my emax was just se | ||||
| 122beat |
Hi all,
Ninetyloop, could you upload your comparision once again? Now it's unavaible to download Regards |
||||
| N D Loop |
Ok lets put it to bedOk it's my fault for bringing this old thread to life, so I guess I should be the one to put it to rest.Here's a simple clip of one of my Emax units sounding like a SP. http://rapidshare.com/files/103034643/EMAX_Kick.wav.html Maybe I should have just let this old thread stay dead. |
||||
| Ninetyloop |
Really there's no point doing that, it's not so serious comparison. There are so many things that affect the sound, i.e. the outputs/sampling rates/recording equipment. In my opinion Sp sounds better on drums than Emax does. Emax lacks that punch and attack, atleast my normal emax does. But you can get very deep sounds from both units, which is a good thing. |
||||
| N D Loop |
Well it could be that something is wrong with your Emax, the ones I have don't seem to have that problem at all. Listen for yourself. http://rapidshare.com/files/103034643/EMAX_Kick.wav.html |
||||
| RHYTHM MONSTER |
until now, for some reason I allways thoght ndloop and nintyloop was the same person
|
||||
| N D Loop |
|
||||
| DFACE DXA |
whichever one is maker knows his shit when it comes to an emax. | ||||
| N D Loop |
Not really sure how someone got confused on the whose who thing? Funny thing is I am a EMAX user only because of my long history with SP's. That's the only reason I believe in the EMAX, I know what SP's are all about. I would never dis the SP on any level but it's just cool that the EMAX can really do the SP thing. Hey DFACE it's always good One thing people need to understand even as someone who can get down on the EMAX the SP still has the user interface and sequncer on lock. Now that's what's up. |
||||