Please Register and Login to this forum to stop seeing this advertsing.
|
|
![]()
|
|
|
slueth1
SpUser
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Posts: 1
|
| SP sound and sampling techniques |
 |
|
Hi,
I copped an SP-1200 Reissue edition couple of months back to compliment my setup, and I've been mainly using it as a sound module, recording drum hits, one shots, chops etc and then sequencing on the MP .
My question relates to the "SP sound.
Do many people here consider the detuned artifact sound (45rpm sampled in then pitched down etc etc) the primary feature of the SP? Sometimes my drums sound a little too crunched when repitched.
Do many of you guys ever use it without using the detuned artifact trick? I'm noticing that the sound does not change that much when I sample in normally (without the 45 sample pitch down technique). |
Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:54 pm |
|
|
DFACE DXA
admin
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 955
Location: BRONX NYC |
yeah some people never detune some do it sometimes some do it all the times. im in the middle.
_________________
 |
|
Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:33 am |
|
|
Deck Daddy
SpUser
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
Posts: 93
Location: myspace.com/deckdaddy |
I usually don't pitch hi-hats and snares, and often not kicks, but I often pitch everything else.
I really think the SP sound is special even when not pitched too: drums bang twice the source it's sampled from. I smile each time I sample anything into it BANG! |
|
Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:44 am |
|
|
thx
SpUser
Joined: 17 Nov 2008
Posts: 118
|
sometimes i pitch the samples when i wanna do a longer loop, but i don't pitch the short samples (kick, snares, etc...). i really like the pitched sounds, but, yes, sometimes the pitched samples are too crunchy for me. the extreme pitch change generate some strange and unnatural overtones, but i generally enjoy it.
_________________
http://writers-connection.noblogs.org/ |
|
Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:26 pm |
|
|
RHYTHM MONSTER
SpUser
Joined: 22 Feb 2007
Posts: 290
|
I don't pitch drum hits but I pitch breaks, always pitch loops or long samples, I never pitch bass stabs before sampling just after to make bass lines and I try not to pitch horns unless I have to. I worked with the 12T first and got used to pitching everything but now on the 00 I've had to learn what I like and don't like pitched. No matter what the sound is beautiful so enjoy. |
|
Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:39 pm |
|
|
One Two
SpUser
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
Posts: 41
|
Yeah, it depends on the sample but in general:
I sample drums at normal speed maybe pitch em up or down one on the SP.
I find the snare always smacks when sampled in the SP.
Again with bass, if pitched down to much in the SP it doesn't sound to smooth.
All other samples I pitch up on the SL1200 & down on the SP, I love the SP sparkle.
I sample a lot of 45's so there is not so much room to pitch them up to sample, but they still crack in the SP.
End of the day I want that SP sound in to my beats so pitching down just makes sounds grittier.
I got the MPC60 MKII but that is gathering dust as the sound is to smooth for me. |
|
Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:41 am |
|
|
Deck Daddy
SpUser
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
Posts: 93
Location: myspace.com/deckdaddy |
| One Two wrote: | I sample a lot of 45's so there is not so much room to pitch them up to sample, but they still crack in the SP.
End of the day I want that SP sound in to my beats so pitching down just makes sounds grittier.
I got the MPC60 MKII but that is gathering dust as the sound is to smooth for me. |
Dust off that 60 and use it to pitch up your 45's so you get the most grit and sampling time out of your SP! |
|
Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:31 am |
|
|
One Two
SpUser
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
Posts: 41
|
Yeah can do, sampling twice is a little tiresome to me though.
Same with the S950.
I love the workflow & ease of use making entire beats in the SP, as you know Deck Daddy it's amazing what you can do with the 10 seconds if you use it creatively. |
|
Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:30 pm |
|
|
Mr Macks
SpUser
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Posts: 51
Location: SinCity, Australia |
interesting to hear how people are using it ... I usually pitch kick snares hihats to 45+8% ad then detune - but not cymabls or open hats as it tends to sound crappy on those.
For most instruments I usually try at 45+8 and if I'm ahppy with it keep it, if it sounds too weird then re-take the sample at normal speed or whatever. I seem to find that with bass sometimes I don't like the pitched down effects, but then again often just using the filters output 1 or 2 can get around that to get a good sound again, using up less memory.
Also - it's funny how a sound can have a slight ring in it at a certain frequency which is not really noticebale, but when you sample in at a higher speed and then pitch it down that ringing sound can be totally accentuated.
_________________
parrallel with the funky hair extensions.... |
|
Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:07 am |
|
|
peterpiper0815
SpUser
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
Posts: 76
|
Oh talking about pitching? Cool, I got also a question. I think some of you (maybe all of you) use an EQ before sampling. How do you handle the problem that the frequency range of the signal you want increase by playing the vinyl at 45 rpm
For example: You want to boost the bassline in your sample, but when you samlpe at 45 rpm the EQ band (Bass) of the DJ Mixer doesn't really boost the bass frequencies of the sample.
I think the best way is to use a parametric EQ (but I dont have one) to raise the mids/lower mids (in that case).
What do you think/use?
peace |
|
Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:04 pm |
|
|
essence
SpUser
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 210
Location: Switzerland |
Sometimes I pitch sometimes I don't. Depends on what sounds good.
There are times I like to sample everything @45RPM and try to make it sound as good as possible with proper EQing/Filtering.
peterpiper: What problem? Just pre-eq the frequency you want.
Since sampling @45RPM adds some highs you can cut a bit off with pre-eqing.
Everyone: What outputs you generally use for what type of sample?
Usually I use output 1 & 2 for bass, 3 for kicks, 6 for snares, 5 for hihats and 7 & 8 for main samples. |
|
Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:11 am |
|
|
loopwhole
SpUser
Joined: 26 May 2009
Posts: 112
|
vestax pdx 2000 is great for pitching 45s. i dont know about other vestax tables, but im shure they would be fit. The pdx was actually designed with the sp1200 in mind! casts be swearing by the tecs but im straight on them frail ass things...
_________________
loopwhole.net |
|
Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:54 am |
|
|
DFACE DXA
admin
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 955
Location: BRONX NYC |
peter you bring up a good point
wont the part you eq'd be different after the pitching?
nobody else sees this?
_________________
|
|
Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:16 pm |
|
|
Mr Macks
SpUser
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Posts: 51
Location: SinCity, Australia |
Yep, I see and agree.
The way I do it using compuetr gets around this - sample into computer, do some eq etc if needed, then pitch up to 45+8 (because I feel like that 45+8 is a 'magic number' or something, lol) or up 12 semitones, whatever, then sample sound back out in the SP.
I know some don't agree with going into a PC then back to the SP, but really going thru another sampler or even different mixers etc is going to slightly color your sound anyway. The only real problem I have with my way is it can slow up your work flow - saving file names, etc. Then again I work slowly anyway.
_________________
parrallel with the funky hair extensions.... |
|
Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:40 pm |
|
|
leon freeze
SpUser
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
Posts: 28
|
| Mr Macks wrote: |
I know some don't agree with going into a PC then back to the SP, but really going thru another sampler or even different mixers etc is going to slightly color your sound anyway. |
Ay..if you don't mind me asking..what is your signal path into the PC? That IMO would be the only limitation or whatever. I on a rare occasion pre-stage sounds in Protools then 'export region as file' so I can manipulate it elsewhere. In my case though..I run my source through a Rosetta 200 either D/D or with a line pre.
What I'm gettin' at is..if you run stuff into a PC first without a good signal path..you might be robbing your sounds of life before they even get to your workstation(s). Some cats don't care..so it's cool either way..but it can make a difference in how your kicks, bass and snares sound sometimes.
On a side note..I'm not big on sampler-to-sampler sound manipulation for basically the same reason..it seems to take away life. Just some contstructive input on the subject...having every component in a 'premium' signal path still doesn't generate the raw musical ideas ultimately anyway.
|
|
Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:41 pm |
|
|
| |
